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Yemen raid: Was it a failure?

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Trump first learned about the plan from National Security Adviser Michael Flynn on the morning of January 25, five days after his inauguration, a White House official told CNN.
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I hate trump, but in honor of the lives lost I hope this gets a mostly objective review by serious military and intelligence people - not the political combatants on both sides.
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Mistakes are meant to be learned from. If Trump sees this as a"win" then he didn't learn anything from his cavalier first attempt to play Commander in Chief. Honesty matters. Integrity matters. Our new Emperor has no clothes and I wonder who in the WH is brave enough to tell him?
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The biggest failures were Trump and the minions around him, with no expertise, no goal other than to glorify themselves, no matter the cost in lives, safety and international scorn.
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Mission success or failure is not up for public debate nor determination. The factors, preps, intel,... are quite appropriately close held. The public should simply say thank you to those who carry out the missions. If you don't agree with outcomes, then express it through your constitutional right to vote and elect those who best represent your views.
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I say where you killed a Navy Seal, an American 8 year old and didn't even get your main target in every other world but this weird alternate reality we live in that would be called a failure.
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Let's see. Innocent civilians, including children, were killed. A Navy SEAL was killed. The target escaped. AND the US can no longer do raids in Yemen. What about this says success?
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Let's see, civilian deaths, a US soldier death, only info gained is a decade old and worthless. Yeah though. Not so simple. ????
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It's a win for Trump. He's fine. It's that asshole who wasn't smart enough to dodge military service who got killed. How are those bone spurs Donny? (For you concrete thinkers: This is sarcasm.)
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Again we have the typical narcissistic CEO mentality that i am the boss and i know best I am smarter than you, but you must not criticize but tell me constantly that i am the greatest
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Considering Trump was goaded into approving the raid because"Obama wouldn't have done it" instead of waiting until a moonless night like Obama wanted and that the raid failed because they were detected before reaching the objective, I'd say Trump is directly responsible for the mission failing.
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It mainly seems balanced with quotes from Trump spokesmen and McCain but where is the perspective of Obama Administration people have recent experience and knowledge of area and problem?
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Ask yourself media, why is the USA at all involved in this carnage perpetrated by the Saudis? Because they have oil? A whole country reduced to rubble for power's sake? Seems we never learn, do we?
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And from the Wall Street Journal:"Yemen's simmering war is getting fresh attention from Washington—to the delight of Saudi Arabia and its Gulf allies, hopeful that President Donald Trump will choose the conflict as his first battleground to roll back Iran."
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He and his staff keep pummeling us with lies so that we become desensitized. So that we just take what he tells us. Holding up his right hand swearing it's his left foot. Where are our laws to stop this!? Who is really looking out for the people?
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Very few things in our world are binary, either"this" or"that", black or white, all or none, always or never. Most things fall on a spectrum somewhere in between. It is up to us as intelligent logical human beings to analyze information, reason through all perspectives and implications before making a well-thought out decision or judgement. So this operation probably had some successful parts and other failed parts and then some parts that would fall in-between those two outcomes. We have to think critically, and not make determinations simply based on what someone has said. I don't think truth will just fall in our laps, we have to actively search for it.
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Trump and Bannon were like eager kids who couldn't wait to use their high-powered toys. Sending people in to battle is a lot more complicated then that. Especially for a failed publicity stunt like this. Will they learn? Probably not.
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Trump explains his mentality about how to win, whether military or otherwise. Don't tell the truth, say it was a success. Why even ask him anymore you know he'll tell untruths?
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Trump explains his mentality about how to win, whether military or otherwise. Don't tell the truth, say it was a success. Why even ask him anymore you know he'll tell untruths?
A military operation where civilian children and a Navy SEAL have died is never a"win". Get your act together, Trump, the presidency is not a contest. No one"wins" at president. Your job is to work for all Americans, who as a rule I think just want to you to be a decent human being and do your job. I know these things are hard for a pampered old man who is accustomed to being waited on hand and foot, and being able to bully others into acquiescing to his will, but more important things are at stake now than whether he feels good about himself.
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Im no military intelligence specialist, but i think advisors analyze the operational risks and benefits and come to an agreement on the plan and ask the Chain of Command for permission to execute it. Much like Bin Laden wasn't captured by Obama and HRC, Trump didn't create this raid, merely signed off on it.
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